In Defense of Rich Lowry
As the flagship publication of American conservatism, a political movement deeply riven by disagreements over first principles, their application, and political tactics, it is appropriate that National Review publish writers with conflicting ideas, a feat that Rich Lowry should count as an achievement of his tenure.
Among NR’s regular contributors are some of my favorite writers, including friends of The American Scene Jim Manzi, Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam. Other conservatives prefer to read Mark Levin and Andy McCarthy. So long as editors require that everyone meet basic standards of factual accuracy and intellectual honesty, I’d prefer a publication that encompassed the perspectives of all these people, and many others besides.
Dan Riehl desires a narrower publication, or so I gather from this post.
Mr. Riehl writes:
I suppose the boy Editor will eventually argue, “Well, it was only her words, you see”. As if the childish looking dupe could ever pull off a decent Buckley imitation.
What is it going to take for conservatives to finally accept that William F. is dead, the heirs to the throne, with too few exceptions, are a bunch of 2nd and 3rd generation elitist brats who belong to the Inside the Beltway set? They are not a part of the conservative movement that must re-define American politics, just as Reagan did, if there is to be anything like conservatism going forward in the nation’s political discourse.
This is classic Riehl World View rhetoric: start by disparaging your target with not very clever name-calling, proceed by asserting that he is an “Inside-the-Beltway” “elitist” who isn’t really a conservative, and conclude having conspicuously failed to offer any reasoning or analysis to back up your attack. It ought to be an embarrassment to attack another person so thinly.
Here is how Mr. Riehl concludes his post:
A combination of American heroes, including the late William F. Buckley and, even more importantly, Ronald Reagan brought new voices and ideas to Washington over two decades ago. Unfortunately, as happens, the seedlings of failure always come hidden within the fruits of great success.
The sprouts of Buckley and Reagan took root, flourished for a time and now seem tired-old and dying on thick-ish vines. If we can’t root these weeds up and out, we should at least smother them in dung and fertilizer so as to prepare a bedding for what must come next.
Their continued feeding and nurturing through donations by conservatives is, not just a mistake, but an utter waste of resources we can ill afford to squander by supporting oily-leaved, slippery eyesores such as NRO.
If you insist on staking them, at least have the decency to stake them through the heart and rid conservatism of their undeserved overgrowth and underlying composted rot.
Mr. Riehl once strenuously objected when I called him a heretic hunter, insisting that he didn’t have any interest in pronouncing upon who gets to be part of the conservative movement and who doesn’t. So how does he respond to a National Review editorial that dares criticize a specific comment made by Sarah Palin? By arguing that the magazine should be covered in metaphorical excrement, and that the “decent” thing would be to stake it through the heart.
Insofar as people like Mr. Riehl and his like-minded readers succeed in pressuring National Review by way of ad hominen and illogical hysterics, rather than logically stated criticism, they do a disservice to the magazine and the movement of which it is a part.
UPDATE: There is, however, some good advice on offer in this Dan Riehl post.
Despite the litany of things that went wrong during the Bush administration— some of them not a part of larger failings in the greater conservative movement, many of them so— I don’t wonder if this health care debate doesn’t represent a greater failure and a more worrying time for both conservatism and America. Not because conservatives oppose health care, but because so much of the populist revolt has been motivated by dishonesty; because there has been such an undercurrent of nativism and violence to it; and because so many people within the conservative intelligentsia who should know better refuse to acknowledge those two facts, out of a misplaced appeal to populism or their roots.
And it’s there, I think, that Dan Riehl’s absurd rhetoric hides a salient point, that there is a divide between the conservative punditocracy and what is usually taken to be the conservative base— a highly nativist, populist group of rural and rural/suburban white Christian middle class Americans. I say this often, and it makes people uncomfortable, but I think it is fair to say that socially and culturally their is a divide between these people and a more educated, socially and culturally alien group of conservative pundits and writers. There’s lots of consequences of this divide, and most of them not for the good. One thing that I notice as a liberal who talks to and reads and considers many conservative writers is a strange divide, between the conservative base of reality and the conservative base of conservative pundits’ imagination.
What I would like to see is a conservatism, and Republican party, ready to abandon the notion that people like that are the inherent standard bearers of the conservative American tradition. Not to abandon all those people, but to stop seeing them as somehow a more authentic or important part of conservatism than the urban, educated and cosmopolitan conservatives that largely make up the conservative punditocracy and blogosphere. What I see is a bizarre situation where, through the force of tradition and through deference to the (fading) electoral power of this traditional conservative demographic, people screaming about Hitler and making complaints that have nothing to do with reality are favored, in the conservative grassroots, over the kind of conservatives who, well, right for The American Scene— conservatives who are thoughtful, respectful of dissent, highly educated about their opponents views, dedicated to good faith and happy to be friendly with people with whom they disagree. I’d like to see that change; I’d like to see the best of conservatism treated like the best, and for the traditional favored class of conservatism to be judged and evaluated based on the merit of their ideas and the rigor of their arguments, rather than based on how “real” they are.
That doesn’t happen, in large part because of the Dan Riehls and Robert Stacey McCains of the world and their strange visions of manly-man, Paul Bunyan archetypes as being the lodestones of conservatism. It also doesn’t happen because of the deep cynicism of certain parts of the Republican party leadership and their continuing gamble on the power of the rage of the entrenched white power base. It also doesn’t happen because of the dominant cultural power of talk radio and FOX News on conservatism, partly because of true belief and partly in a vulgar play for ratings. But partly, I’m afraid, the ignorant and afraid continue to play a larger-than-appropriate part in the future of conservatism because too many conservative pundits and bloggers represent them in a way that is simply contrary to reality. There are too many conservative bloggers who look at the people taking part in these town hall protests and deny the plain reality, that while many of the people who are opposed to health care do so out of a sincere (if misguided) belief that it is dangerous for the country, many do so out of simple ignorance, fear and hatred of the other. And I think many conservative bloggers do this out of the same sense of divide and disconnect that I’m talking about, a refusal to judge precisely because they feel so alienated from these people— and, sadly, a refusal to appropriate the language of many liberals who they see as looking down at people who are their ideological, if not cultural, brethren.
What we have instead is a perverse situation where the best of conservatism is easily marginalized by the likes of Dan Riehl and the worst is allowed to become the face of the movement, no matter how much that hurts the country and what the risk is of making conservatism permanently alienated from the urban, Hispanic demographic that is likely to become this country’s long-term ruling majority. There’s a lot arrayed against those who, for example, oppose health care not out of appeals to fear of the unknown or nonsense like “death panels” but out of informed and rational opinions. But the size of the task is no excuse for the people who know that the politics of fear is a dead end for the country but who refuse to speak up out of misguided loyalty, resentment towards liberals or a fear of angering those who carry the torch of Real Conservatives like a talisman. The sad fact is that a shrinking minority can derail the legislative agenda of this country, but only in a way that is productive for neither party, damages the country’s ability to confront troubling times with vision and courage, and makes a mockery of our ideals of proportional representation and democratic governance. How long will smart, principled conservatives, of whatever policy preferences and ideological agenda, give pride of place up without a fight to people who don’t deserve it?
— Freddie · Aug 23, 10:32 PM · #
… Jesus, Freddie.
WRITE for the American Scene.
— Freddie · Aug 23, 10:46 PM · #
Freddie wrote a long post, but I stopped reading it right about where he says of the populist revolt:
Liberals cannot get through a post without accusing us of racism—with a little violence this time for added effect. We’re not just wrong, we’re violent racists. Pathetic.
— jd · Aug 23, 11:43 PM · #
If you don’t want to be called violent racists, it helps to not have the violent racists voting with you.
— talboito · Aug 24, 02:10 AM · #
It’s really too bad, JD, that conservatives like yourself have always been more concerned about accusations of racism than they’ve ever been concerned about actual racism. It’s the reason, frankly, that your ideology will only ever appeal to lower-class white people. They’re the only ones with the right combination of ignorance and privilege not to notice.
Remind me which side is sending armed terrorists to town halls again? Oh, right, that’s you guys.
— Chet · Aug 24, 02:14 AM · #
JD,
Freddie mentioned two groups of conservatives, one group consisting of the violent nativists who are making bogus claims about health care, calling Obama hitler and so on and a group that still has legitimate policy disagreements with liberals but is able to argue from facts in good faith, with The American Scene being an example of this group.
If you want to align yourself with the first group that’s your call.
— eric k · Aug 24, 02:25 AM · #
As you can see from the above, it’s all about a struggle over social status.
— Steve Sailer · Aug 24, 02:50 AM · #
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— Seviyeli Sohbet · Aug 24, 02:56 AM · #
Freddie writes:
“the risk is of making conservatism permanently alienated from the urban, Hispanic demographic that is likely to become this country’s long-term ruling majority”
A question for Freddie: What percentage of your readers at A League of Ordinary Gentlemen are Hispanic? 2%? 1%? When the last “nativist” is driven off the Internet by the triumph of the new urban Hispanic ruling majority, how much are you really going to like your new America?
It’s common to see white intellectuals like Freddie who denounce anybody who has concerns about the Beverly Hills Chihuauhauization of America to score short term status striving brownie points against other whites. But, it’s still a pretty funny joke.
— Steve Sailer · Aug 24, 03:58 AM · #
A question for Freddie: What percentage of your readers at A League of Ordinary Gentlemen are Hispanic? 2%? 1%
I have no idea, although I’m sure you’re right to think that it’s quite low.
When the last “nativist” is driven off the Internet by the triumph of the new urban Hispanic ruling majority, how much are you really going to like your new America?
I don’t know about “driven off the Internet.” In the past I’ve taken pains say that demographic trends aren’t destiny, and we may not have a majority Hispanic future. It seems like we will. I don’t understand, and have never understood, why there’s this assumption that the rise of a new racial majority is supposed to lead to some sort of terrible consequences for white Americans. Yes, it’s true, currently racial minorities have some disadvantages in this country, but all in all we have a fairly stable and functional pluralistic society. As for my own comfort (or lack thereof) with Hispanic people, I’m not sure what to tell you. I was seriously considering a move to Guatemala not to long ago at the invitation of a friend who could get me a job with a work visa. But we all have some racial baggage, and I’m no different.
It’s common to see white intellectuals like Freddie who denounce anybody who has concerns about the Beverly Hills Chihuauhauization of America to score short term status striving brownie points against other whites.
Aside from the fact that referring to Chihuahuas totally supports your complaints about being called a racist all the time, again, I think you assume too much. I don’t actually think that a Hispanic majority will result in a sudden loss of quality of life for white people or some sort of second-class status. I just think that a Hispanic majority will gradually alter the political landscape of the country, and one currently powerful political tactic, appeals to the aggrievement of the white power base, is not going to be a salient message going forward, I think.
— Freddie · Aug 24, 08:10 AM · #
lawls, I wasn’t going to comment here anymore, but it is simply unbearable to see the blind bourgie conservatives still groping the elephant. I betcha Sailer and Manzi at least realize what the rise of the Third Culture is going to do to conservatism….
Conservatism is simply becoming functionally obsolete.
Steve Sailer, you were one of my heroes….I have defended you hundreds of times.
That Chihuauhauization of America remark is where the party ends, my racist friend.
And Matt will surely delete this comment.
So here’s some free advice.
see yah.
;)
— matoko_chan · Aug 24, 09:11 AM · #
Topic: if Hispanics remain self-consciously Hispanic even after they become the majority, and if Blacks remain self-consciously Black, and if racial identity remains a politically potent grouping mechanism, wouldn’t it be wise for Whites to collectivize under a banner of whiteness to protect their rights as a minority?
Second: is there a more vulgar way to choose teams?
Third: vulgar or not, are color-blocs so entrenched that Team White is now inevitable?
Discuss among yourselves.
— Kristoffer V. Sargent · Aug 24, 01:18 PM · #
wouldn’t it be wise for Whites to collectivize under a banner of whiteness to protect their rights as a minority?
This is part of the problem for the, ahem, “race realist” vision of race in America: there is the assertion that 1) we don’t have a problem with a systematically significantly disadvantaged black or Hispanic minority, thank you very much, so programs like affirmative action aren’t necessary; but also 2) if white people ever stop being a majority, horror of horrors, white people will be systematically significantly disadvantaged. It’s self-refuting; people say both that we aren’t a deeply racist society but also that a significant racial majority will always be racist against minorities. Funny about that!
Personally, I think discrimination against black and Hispanic people persists because of economic disadvantages that stem from black America’s history of slavery and the fact that so many Hispanics arrive in this country in a state of absolute poverty. I further think that a shrinking but economically and culturally powerful white minority wouldn’t face any of those systemic prejudices. But I find— and I’m not accusing anyone in particular of this— that people say they fear white people being discriminated against when what they really fear is not actually being privileged anymore for being white.
— Freddie · Aug 24, 01:29 PM · #
Chihuahua is an actual place on earth, close to the US and inhabited by Mexicans. And “Beverly Hills Chihuahua” was a popular kids movie last year. Possibly Sailer has an explanation for his comment besides “well, it’s a racial epithet”?
— h-u-a-h-u-a · Aug 24, 03:18 PM · #
To get back to Rich Lowry: he also manages consistently to articulate a consensus conservatism in a calm tone. This is a rare talent; in fact, I don’t know anyone else who possesses it. The ability to form that consensus from a variety of voices is also noteworthy. He may not have the idiosyncratic charisma of Buckley, but who could? He is worthy of respect.
— Withywindle · Aug 24, 05:27 PM · #
Third: vulgar or not, are color-blocs so entrenched that Team: White is now inevitable?
But you aren’t team white, KVS. 32% of the white folk voted for Obama.
You are Team: First Culture.
— matoko_chan · Aug 24, 05:33 PM · #
“Honoring positive portrayals of Latinos and Latino culture in entertainment, the Imagen Foundation has announced the winners of the 24th annual Imagen Awards. At the event held at Beverly Hilton on Friday night, August 21, Walt Disney Pictures’ “Beverly Hills Chihuahua” has been hailed as Best Feature Film.”
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00026647.html
— Steve Sailer · Aug 24, 06:14 PM · #
Freddie: Personally, I think discrimination against black and Hispanic people persists because of economic disadvantages that stem from black America’s history of slavery and the fact that so many Hispanics arrive in this country in a state of absolute poverty.
Perhaps. But if so, we should be talking about class, not race.
Matoko, you got me wrong, kid. I’m not on a team. I’m an army of one: an erstwhile cosmologist turned philosopher of science turned distracted lawyer. (I’m also a thoroughly debauched oenophile with great expectations).
My culture is orthogonal to your axis, sweetheart. Your substrate has deceived you.
— Kristoffer V. Sargent · Aug 24, 06:23 PM · #
Ah, yes, the greatest of all White Racial Privileges: the freedom to pretend that one does not actually have a race.
— Chet · Aug 24, 07:19 PM · #
Ah, yes, the greatest of all White Racial Privileges: the freedom to pretend that one does not actually have a race.
And the comfort of not having to live in the knowledge that some people will take all of your conduct as a statement on the conduct of all people of your race.
— Freddie · Aug 24, 07:45 PM · #
So, the crux of the matter is that under the current system of social status, you demonstrate your smartness by sneering at all those dumb white people who worry that adding 97 million more Hispanics from 2000 to 2050 (according to Census Bureau projections) is going to tend to dumb down the country.
And when somebody who is vastly better informed than you comes along and cites all the data supporting that proposition, you screech at him that he’s an evil racist because he knows the facts.
— Steve Sailer · Aug 24, 07:59 PM · #
What gets me is when smart people say stupid things about ordinary people, then other smart people defend the smart people because they think smart people are more real than ordinary stupid people. That burns me up.
— mike farmer · Aug 24, 09:28 PM · #
Quit quibbling and deal.
The reason conservatism is thrashing around like a pig with a crack overdose is that it is dying.
Conservatism is obsolete.
The death throes of an organism are rarely attractive.
— matoko_chan · Aug 24, 09:41 PM · #
“all those dumb white people who worry that adding 97 million more Hispanics from 2000 to 2050 (according to Census Bureau projections) is going to tend to dumb down the country.”
The problem is that you think 97 million Hispanics would make American dumber than 97 million Slavs or 97 million of any other group.
Mike
— MBunge · Aug 24, 11:02 PM · #
“Conservatism is obsolete.”
Of course it is. Everyone knows that regressivism is where it’s at.
— mike farmer · Aug 25, 08:14 AM · #
“The problem is that you think 97 million Hispanics would make American dumber than 97 million Slavs or 97 million of any other group.”
Yeah, right, like that’s possible.
(just kidding, all you Slavs)
— mike farmer · Aug 25, 09:23 AM · #
Chet writes:
Race is a social construct, Chet, and can therefore be deconstructed, subverted, and generally f-ed with.
If you read the thread, Kris is responding to Matoko, and Matoko also denies the existence of “Team White,” so they aren’t even discussing race anymore, they’re discussing whether Kris is on a team made up of white non-Obama-voters but excluding white Obama-voters. (Named “Team First Privilege” by Matoko). I’m agnostic about whether Kris is a member of Team First Privilege, since it hasn’t been fully defined and since I don’t know Kris personally, but in any case, it’s not obvious that he is.
— J Mann · Aug 25, 09:31 AM · #
This is a great piece. Very thought provoking. I like the sort of ending that leaves it opn to personal input. Makes it work for just about everyone I think. Nicely done! I’ll subscribe.
— cheap jordan shoes · Aug 25, 09:52 AM · #
sheesh
Team First Culture.
The emergent Third Culture, the rise of empirical philosophers like this is what is killing the GOP.
The Third Culture is the merge of literary philosphers (the First Culture, like Polous and Buckley) with the Second Culture ( science culture like Kilcullen and Crick).
I am not talking about “white priviledge.”
I am talking about cultural evolution.
— matoko_chan · Aug 25, 10:32 AM · #
I love that shoe guy. I get happy every time I read his posts.
— J Mann · Aug 25, 11:24 AM · #
I love the shoe guy, too.
— Kate Marie · Aug 25, 11:31 AM · #
What’s with sticking that “d” in the word “privilege,” Matoko? Is it a cool Third Culture thing?
— Kate Marie · Aug 25, 11:36 AM · #
Well, you’ll have to take my word for it, but I voted for Obama. And I’m not ‘white’, I’m a Scots-Irish antihero with a big brain and a shit-ton of top-quality schoolin’. I also know that Chet-while-typing is funny-queer, and Freddie is really a woman.
And yes, I find an existential appraisal of ethnicity very nice indeed. Me uber alles, y’all.
— Kristoffer V. Sargent · Aug 25, 12:34 PM · #
And when somebody who is vastly better informed than you comes along and cites all the data supporting that proposition, you screech at him that he’s an evil racist because he knows the facts.
When did you cite any data? Where in this thread? And when did I call you a racist, exactly?
— Freddie · Aug 25, 03:25 PM · #
Don’t be disingenuous, Freddie, it’s not your strong suit.
— Steve Sailer · Aug 25, 04:55 PM · #
Steve, you said awhile back that District 9 was meant to be a post-apartheid metaphor. I’ve now read several reviews with Blomkamp, and he says explicitly that District 9 is an apartheid metaphor. What was your source?
— Kristoffer V. Sargent · Aug 25, 05:12 PM · #
interviews, not reviews.
— Kristoffer V. Sargent · Aug 25, 05:13 PM · #
Freddie –
If you don’t think this – “simple ignorance, fear and hatred of the other” – is prevalent amongst all humans, not just middle-class Christian White Americans, I think you should stop blogging.
— Matt C · Aug 26, 08:37 AM · #
KVS, that was Suderman’s review. Suderman doesn’t “get” District 9 for the same reason Polous can’t understand Avatar.
Those are Third Culture movies, and Suderman and Polous are First Culture intellectuals.
— matoko_chan · Aug 26, 02:27 PM · #
Also, one would truly have to be a blinkered moron or some sort of intellectual amputee not to get the Gaza analogy, with MNU as Israeli commandos.
— matoko_chan · Aug 26, 03:11 PM · #
Matoko, here’s what I was talking about:
Suderman acknowledges the apartheid metaphor in his review:
Sailer reviewed the movie for Taki’s Magazine, where he wrote:
Sailer cites to this interview, where Blomkamp responds to the interviewer’s question about whether it’s too simplistic to see the movie as an apartheid allegory:
Now, I thought maybe Sailer cited to the wrong interview, because clearly what Blomkamp said above (and those are the only references to apartheid or post apartheid in the interview) doesn’t jive with Sailer’s statement that Blomkamp could hardly be more explicit that the movie is largely a post-apartheid parable about illegal immigration and Malthusian despair.
That’s just not true. Every interview I could find with Blomkamp has him saying the same thing: the movie is “largely” an apartheid allegory but not just that; it’s also about the universal human tendency to degrade and oppress the other, and how we’re headed for a bad future of overpopulation and too few resources.
To be fair, Blomkamp does talk about how Johannesburg is still messed up, and how it represents our Malthusian future.
Blomkamp also talks about illegal immigration, just not in the way Sailer represents.
Sailer, though, refuses to see where Blomkamp’s sympathies lie. Instead, he writes:
But that’s not Blomkamp’s concern at all. He’s not worried about the weak outbreeding the strong (whatever that means). He’s worried about racism and oppression as a human universal.
Finally, to be clear: the core metaphor of District 9 is apartheid-like oppression of the other. Blomkamp acknowledges this in the AVClub interview. The interviewer says:
Blomkamp responds:
In other words, Sailer is just wrong.
— Kristoffer V. Sargent · Aug 26, 04:11 PM · #
Oh, pardon, my bad…..Suderman also refers to District 9 as post-apartheid….what he and Sailer both mean is post SOUTH AFRICAN APARTHEID, the specific apartheid in SA that is now ended.
But yeah, Sailer and Suderman both try to co-op District 9 for their own hobbyhorses.
It is all they got anymore.
Like Polous on Avatar, Suderman totally doesn’t get third culture movies.
This is clueless.
… it poses questions similar to those raised by Orson Scott Card in the later books of his Ender series: Could an alien mind ever be truly knowable? Is peaceful interspecies coexistence even possible? Card treated these questions philosophically, as problems of culture and empathy. Blomkamp seems more interested in needling the human tendency toward brutal class segregation.
Suderman totally doesn’t “grok” the substance here. The only way you can empathize with someone else is to become them, like when the protagonist is infected with prawn DNA. Think black like me.
In general scifi authors tend to be liberal and progessive….it is that futurethink….another result of the ingrained traditional conservative antipathy towards science.
Card’s young adult novels are tediously cited by conservatives…..scifi tokenism. ;)
He is the only scifi conservative I know of.
It creeps me out how the bourgie conservatives try to twist culture into supporting conservative memetics….
Breitbart’s pathetic crusade to “take back hollywood” is doomed because conservatives simply can’t relate to the Third Culture….geek culture, youth culture, internet culture, science culture, tech culture, university culture…..hollywood culture.
There are only two kinds of liberals in hollywood, and yes, liberals pretty much own hollywood.
If you are young, rich, beautiful and altruistic, then you become an Angelina Jolie style liberal and you want to adopt the world.
If you are young, rich, beautiful and NOT-altruistic, then you become a Megan Fox style liberal and you want to sic Megatron on the heartland biblethumpers.
;)
— matoko_chan · Aug 26, 06:24 PM · #
And back on topic….Lowry is a typical First Culture intellectual. He thinks about things.
He comments on comments and wishful thinking.
Dr. Manzi is a Third Culture intellectual. He does things.
He comments on science and on empirical reality.
;)
— matoko_chan · Aug 26, 06:31 PM · #
Huh? My argument is that, while in part an “apartheid allegory” like the conventional wisdom holds, “District 9’s” celebrated backstory (as opposed to it’s fun but uninspired plot) is largely a “post-apartheid parable,” as Blomkpamp has taken great risks to point out over and over to interviewers.
Exiled Afrikaner director Neill Blomkamp has been quite brave in giving interviews, although the cluelessness of film journalists works for his protection.
Here’s a characteristic interview in the Toronto Globe and Mail with District 9 filmmaker Neill Blomkamp, whose Afrikaner family fled Johannesburg for Vancouver in 1997 when he was 17 because of street violence. It’s entitled “Neill Blomkamp’s Giant Apartheid Metaphor,” despite Blomkamp’s attempt to broaden the interviewer’s perspective:
“ Q. In District 9 , aliens land in Johannesburg and are forced to live in a filthy shanty town, segregated from human society. Can we get the giant apartheid metaphor out of the way first?
“ A. It isn’t necessarily just a metaphor for apartheid. It’s not. … What it is meant to be is a whole bunch of topics that had an effect on me when I was living there. Topics I became more interested in once I left.
“ Q. Such as?
“ A. Just everything that goes on in that country – xenophobia, the collapse of Zimbabwe and the flood of illegal immigrants into South Africa, and then how you have impoverished black South Africans in conflict with the immigrants. All that amounts to a very unusual situation. And South Africa is kind of the birthplace of the modern private military contractor … so there’s a lot of other things besides apartheid that I wanted to touch on, such as segregation in general. …
Q. How the world mistreats the helpless aliens struck me as very probable, sadly. Did you research histories of displaced peoples? A. Not actively. But, because I grew up in South Africa, the topics I’m interested in tend to be that kind of thing. Israel and Palestine, I’m really interested in, displaced people wherever. The left side of my brain is very interested in these things that I, at the time, felt were unrelated to filmmaking. I just wanted to be a filmmaker – I like design, science fiction, weapons, I like the geekery of it. And this was separate; I read all of those world topics separately. So, at some subconscious level, it [refugee history] worked its way in. Q. You come from a visual effects background, but yada yada off to a different topic …Is it really that hard for film writers to recognize that Neill Blomkamp is particularly interested in the topic of displaced persons because he is a displaced person? Are we that far gone into Who? Whom? thinking that Blomkamp’s answers in dozens of interviews over the last month are largely incomprehensible to the great majority of journalists?
Here’s why his family fled Johannesburg when he was 17:
“I’ve got a younger brother and sisters, and South Africa was pretty dodgy in the late ’90s, so—actually, it’s dodgy now. It’ll just be continuously dodgy, but we moved so that they could not be in a state of violence all the time.”
Or:
“In my opinion, the film doesn’t exist without Joburg. … [W]hen I got to Canada … I started to get more and more and more interested in Johannesburg, which must have been because I grew up there, but separate to that, it became this insane sociopolitical interest of mine. I actually think Johannesburg represents the future. … So the whole film grew out of a love-hate relationship with Johannesburg, really.”
And:
“Another part of recent South African history that isn’t world news is that the collapse of Zimbabwe has introduced millions of illegal Zimbabwean immigrants into South African cities. … Now you have this powder-keg situation, with black against black … [W]e woke up one morning to find out that Johannesburg was eating itself alive. Impoverished South Africans had started murdering impoverished Zimbabweans, necklacing them and burning them and chopping them up.”
And:
“Q.: And you say [Johannesburg is] the future of the world? Why?
“A: Well, in my opinion, you have out-of-control population growth … —we are heading for the biggest train wreck our civilization has ever come across ever. If your population curve is on an exponential growth, and the resources are on an exponential decline, what happens first is you get … rich pockets of gated communities with security guards outside them, and you get more and more poverty outside that area. … and people start having resource wars over water and food and agriculture and arable land, and then you have Joburg in 2050. …
“Q.: So District 9 is a warning about a lot more than apartheid.
“A.: Yeah …”
What gives the film its melancholy ferocity is its bitter Malthusian wisdom distilled from the Afrikaner diaspora. History may be written by the winners, but some of the most bracing fiction—for example, Disgrace, the 1999 novel about gang rape in the new South Africa by J.M. Coetzee, the Nobel laureate who fled to Australia in 2002—is written by history’s losers, such as the Afrikaners.
— Steve Sailer · Aug 26, 06:40 PM · #
“and what the risk is of making conservatism permanently alienated from the urban, Hispanic demographic that is likely to become this country’s long-term ruling majority.”
If I am not mistaken, there were in 1980 19 million hispanics in the United States and 207 million others. Let us posit that the distribution of hispanics between metropolitan and non-metropolitan zones comes to approximate that of the domestic black population, so that an ‘urban, hispanic” majority would form the bulk of a minimum of 57% of the total population. Let us also posit that the population of the remainder falls by one-sixth over a period of decades due to depressed fertility, and stands at about 170 million. Were this remainder to consist of 43% of the population, the hispanic component would number some 230 million, which would be a 12 fold increase over the figure in 1980. Were the hispanic population to grow at the rate the general population of the United States did over the 19th century, we might see a 12 fold increase in the hispanic population. During the 19th century, perhaps a third of the population (on average) was employed in farming and much of the country remained unsettled until around 1890. As we speak, the total fertility rate in Mexico is 2.34 children per women (I think fairly similar to that of the United States ca. 1970) and perhaps 2% of the working population in our own country is employed in farming and husbandry. The last demographic projection I saw for Mexico (admittedly dated) projected a population reaching stasis at about 203 million. Somehow I doubt we are going to have 230 million hispanics living in the United States in 2070 or at any other time.
My regrets that Mr. Blomkamp has been taking deep draughts of Paul Ehrlich’s Kool-Aid.
— Art Deco · Aug 26, 07:24 PM · #
“As we speak, the total fertility rate in Mexico is 2.34 children per women”
Yes, but in 2005, according to demographer Hans P. Johnson of the Public Policy Institute of California’s analysis of Census Bureau data, the total fertility rate of foreign-born Latinas in California was 3.7 — much higher than the total fertility rate in Mexico.
In other words, people are illegally immigrating from Mexico to America in part to have the third and fourth children they couldn’t afford to have in Mexico.
The Census Bureau’s 2008 projection is that the Hispanic population will grow from 35 million in 2000 to 132 million in 2050. In contrast, the Bureau’s 2000 projection foresaw the Hispanic population rising “only” to 98 million by 2050.
We’re already seeing in California’s meltdown the economic and fiscal effects of importing a huge number of low productivity / high birthrate workers. Hispanics played by far the largest role in mortgage defaults in California, which accounted for a large majority of dollars defaulted in the mortgage meltdown that set off the current recession.
— Steve Sailer · Aug 26, 08:08 PM · #
Notice how you see what you want to see in the film Steve….a metaphor for a “bitter” “Malthusian” “Afrikaaner diaspora” from a dystopian post-apartheid society. You cherrypick Blomkamp quotes to support your thesis, and map the movie onto your hobbyhorse, hispanic immigration…never mind that the mapping is a Procrustean bed with parts you have to chop off, and other parts you stretch.
Here’s a part you chopped off…when Wikus is infected with prawn DNA, he begins to become one.
What does it mean to mean to be human?
Can anyone realize the degradation and fear of living as a slave or in an apartheid population or as an illegal alien without becoming one?
Is Christopher Jones more “human” than Wikus?
Why did Blomkamp put all that in there?
So you could ignore it, or sneer at it like Suderman for heavy-handed moralizing?
No.
Instead you strrrretch Blomkamp as a “displaced person” into a torturous anti-hispanic immigration metaphor. The Blomkamps weren’t illegal aliens subjected to apartheid in Canada, sowwy.
Fail-analogy.
I see way more parallels to Gaza and the West Bank than to hispanic immigration. So does Blomkamp.
because I grew up in South Africa, the topics I’m interested in tend to be that kind of thing. Israel and Palestine, I’m really interested in, displaced people wherever
And so what Steve?
If America gets “beverly hills chihuahua-ized”…..what can you do to stop it?
It is cultural and demographic evolution.
— matoko_chan · Aug 26, 11:46 PM · #
“I see way more parallels to Gaza and the West Bank than to hispanic immigration. So does Blomkamp.”
Whoever said anything about Hispanic immigration in regard to “District 9?” I sure didn’t.
Blomkamp has referred over and over to illegal immigration from Zimbabwe into South Africa being a major inspiration for the back story of “District 9.” That’s what I was referring to.
— Steve Sailer · Aug 27, 12:23 AM · #
Sure.
Look Steve…your movie reviews fail (like Suderman’s review of District, and Polous’ preview of Avatar) because either you try to put a conservative spin on liberal themes or you just don’t get liberal themes.
Which is it?
Evo culture has moved on and left contemporary conservatives behind.
The rise of theThird Culure is going to kill off the GOP.
Sure, conservatism or reactionary-ism, w/e, will eventually be reborn in another party.
But not this party.
The dichotomy between the base and the intelligentsia is a symptom of the breakdown in coherance of conservative memes.
So is the double-down on fugly.
The teaparties are pure Weimar.
Who’s the proto-facists now?
— matoko_chan · Aug 27, 08:22 AM · #
Come on, Steve. Blomkamp says he built a fruit basket but added nuts and candy. You say he built a nuts and candy basket but a too-close familiarity with fruit has kept most people from realizing it.
Now, you could have said that, in District 9, there might be such a thing as ‘post Apartheid’ but, tragically for us, there there will never be such a thing as small-‘a’ post-apartheid. That would have been an accurate interpretation of the film and Blomkamp’s intent. Instead, you emphasize Blomkamp’s indictment of post-apartheid Joburg — and drift into tangent land about the weak outbreeding the strong — and ridicule the media’s fixation on Apartheid as quaint historical provincialism and inaccurate to boot. That’s nuts and candy, man.
— Kristoffer V. Sargent · Aug 27, 10:30 AM · #
Just admit you don’t understand the movie Steve, or admit you’re spinning.
It isn’t an anti-immigration polemic, as badly as you want it to be.
Which are you, a partisan intellectual whore so blinkered by ideology that you are seeing chihuahuas under every rock, or simply ………….clueless?
— matoko_chan · Aug 27, 01:52 PM · #
crickets, Sailer?
Well I have one more piece of advice for you….and Conor, Polous and Suderman.
You can’t “take culture back” by spinning movie reviews.
You have to “grow your own”.
And that means taking back the universities.
kthnxbye
— matoko_chan · Aug 29, 09:39 AM · #