A Quick Rebuttal
Quoting Megan McArdle’s admonition that the right should start policing its lunatic fringe, Jon Henke’s work against World Net Daily, and my criticism of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Fox News, and Human Events, the blogger Bill Quick tries to make sense of it all.
So…what the hell is going on here?? Why are the supposed “best and brightest” of the Young Conservative Lions suddenly waging war on scruffy “outsiders?”
I think the answer is pretty simple: They’re scared to death they are going to lose their influence to the wave of Tea Party, Blogger, and Other Barbarians trying to remake the GOP, and conservatism, in their own image.
What gives? I’ve criticized a multimillionaire talk radio juggernaut, a highly rated television personality, a former governor, America’s highest rated cable news network, and an Inside the Beltway movement publication older than I am, and Bill Quick collects all these under the banner of “scruffy outsiders”? Perhaps his scare quotes are meant to acknowledge that these folks are actually movement conservative insiders.
It is their influence that I object to — not because they pose any threat to my career, but because they’ve consistently demonstrated a willingness to manipulate, mislead and exploit the grassroots folks that Mr. Quick imagines that I fear. As I said just yesterday, these folks deliberately play on the worst impulses of the conservative base, stoking their paranoia and misleading them about reality, all for the sake of bigger audiences and greater revenues. My idea of respecting the grassroots is writing about these cynical, dishonest elites, and the gulf that separates their rhetoric from what actually motivates them. But Mr. Quick doesn’t have any answer to that.
He goes on:
These are the youngsters whose immediate intellectual forebears turned the Reagan Revolution into the Double Bush Moderate Joke, and squandered the conservative majority in the process of kissing the asses of the liberals with whom they hung out in Georgetown bars.
That small paragraph is a neat summary of the delusion gripping Mr. Quick’s corner of the blogosphere. In his mind, the “intellectual forebears” of George W. Bush’s administration are people like Megan McArdle, Jon Henke and I. Funny, that isn’t how I remember it. In 2000, the RNC foisted George W. Bush on the nation as a fait accompli. Fox News and Rush Limbaugh threw their energy into getting him elected. Karl Rove served as his political architect. The conservative movement stayed remarkably loyal throughout his two terms, despite President Bush’s profligate spending.
These were the intellectual roots of the Bush Administration, and the folks I’ve named would’ve bragged about that back in the days of Karl Rove’s “permanent Republican majority.” Strangely, Mr. Quick apparently imagines 2000 to 2008 as the consequence of libertarian leaning blogger types urging I’m not sure what. What is he talking about?
He is also convinced that the loss of George W. Bush’s conservative majority is due to people like Jon, Megan, and I. Perhaps a more clear headed observer would cite the Iraq War, runaway spending, Tom Delay style cronyism, an economic catastrophe and a government staffed by incompetents. Of course, I would say that to distract from the prominent role I played in John McCain’s campaign. Oh, wait, I’m reminded that it was actually elder conservatives like Bill Kristol and young writers like Michael Goldfarb who helped run that campaign.
This is also jaw-dropping: “…the natural tendency of the professional kiddie-pols to set themselves up as intellectual and ideological gatekeepers for both movement and grassroots conservatism leads to these self-flagellating civil wars about the nature of ‘proper’ conservatism.” Really? Somehow I thought that controversy over the nature of ‘proper’ conservatism pre-dated Jon Henke’s World Net Daily criticism—must a big tent include those engaged in deliberate intellectual dishonesty?—but I guess I imagined all the heretic hunting criticism of every disgruntled former Bush Administration staffer, plus the attacks on David Brooks, Bruce Bartlett, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, David Frum, Ross Douthat, Ramesh Ponnuru, and lately even Rich Lowry.
This nugget from Mr. Quick is more plausible:
I am proposing that intellectuals, while valuable in the sense of providing the mental underpinnings for movements, tend to make lousy real-world leaders. As I also pointed out, without those rowdy mobs of grass-roots troops, the ideas of the intellectuals go nowhere. And when the intellectuals decide that their ideas – and their leadership – is wasted on the grassroots lumpenproletariat – then that leadership heads directly over a cliff, and takes the movement with it.
Though I can’t speak for Jon or Megan, I can assure Mr. Quick that I’d rather serve mango lassies from an outdoor stand than make my living as a leader in the conservative movement. Writing is fun because you get to say what you honestly think! As for the ideas of intellectuals going nowhere without rowdy mobs of grass-roots troops (what are their successes again?), how does Mr. Quick explain welfare reform, or the Project for the New American Century, or NAFTA, or capital gains tax cuts? Apparently I’ve missed a lot of rowdy mobs.
One last excerpt:
In the final analysis, their problem is a natural sense of elitism. It’s not their fault. They were raised that way in the way they raised themselves. Their own experience indicates to them they are the best and the brightest.
And elitism, per se, is not necessarily an evil thing. After all, half of all humanity is below average. I am an elitist myself. But the problems with elitism arise when elitists think their talents qualify them to control. And that is what this latest kerfuffle is all about: Who is going to control the conservative movement.
Let me explain something to Mr. Quick: I haven’t any desire to control the conservative movement — as far as I can see, becoming a movement has corrupted conservative philosophy, and I often wonder if conservative ends would be better served by blowing it up. There are valuable movement institutions and integrity-filled movement people I respect, but not because they’re parts of the Inside the Beltway conservative industrial complex.
I’d love to see a better movement, and a better GOP, for the sake of the country, but bringing it about isn’t the primary project that occupies me. As a writer, I’d rather be penning long form narrative journalism — in fact, I am starting an utterly apolitical non-fiction book project right now — and as a citizen who is politically engaged, I am most invested in bettering public discourse in America.
The way that citizens argue in a democracy isn’t the only important factor in advancing the good of a polity and the individuals who make it up. But it is one important factor. Intellectual honesty, arguing in good faith, and refraining from deliberately misleading others are necessary elements for healthy self-government, where public discourse serves as a crucible for ideas. I write against Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Fox News, and Human Events because they fail these basic tests.
UPDATE: I see that RSM has a new post up comparing me to Adolf Hitler. It’s as good a way as any to distract attention from the question I put to him — if you’re loyal to the grassroots, RSM, and you’re a savvy enough Washington DC presence to know that elites inside the movement are exploiting them, why don’t you ever write about that?
Uh, I believe the scruff “outsiders” are the Tea Party goers and such who he believes are behind WND and such.
God, can’t any of you people read?
— NutellaonToast · Sep 5, 06:26 PM · #
Having read you for a while, Conor, as sympathetic as I am to your position, I must admit frustration. You’ve never (so far as I can tell) laid out your own set of political positions. If asked, from your myriad posts and articles, I’d be forced to put you on the center-left. Financially conservative (maybe, if you don’t think the gov’t program can be run well) and socially liberal (finding many of your social positions at home in a libertarian context). Given the lack of a ‘manifesto’ (if you’ll pardon the expression), or a set of specific principles, I’m not surprised you’re finding a lot of resistance from ‘mainstream’ conservative writers and bloggers.
To give you my own perspective, I don’t have any time at all for people like Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity – Levin I’ve never heard nor read, though I do have a bit of a soft-spot for Limbaugh. I consider myself a financial conservative and a social indifferent. And yet I must admit that, at times, you alienate and frustrate me. Perhaps because I can’t figure out what it is exactly that you’d like to see in politics, aside from ridding – for the first time in recorded history – political debate of rancor and intellectual dishonesty.
As for that last, I feel a significant portion of the pushback against your position may be that you aren’t regularly criticizing the same behavior on both sides of the aisle. If, for example, the Right gave up the populism and demagogy (as refreshing as that might be to the likes of you and me), the Left would remain the sole dispenser and beneficiary of those risible acts; and perhaps your lack of recognition (at least in print) of that fact is what prompts many to dismiss your statements.
But back to the main point. If, on the other hand, I were to approach your work cynically, I might come to the conclusion that you are seeking to raise your (admittedly limited) profile by attacking and drawing attention from those whose positions in the public eye are rather more significant. I don’t want to believe that last, so I’ll leave it alone, but I wanted to bring the perception to your attention.
I think that you and Douthat and Salam and McCardle and Henke and others are vital and part of the future, so I always look forward to hearing your perspectives. I just find that a lack of background and context robs me of the ability to fully credit the same.
— Austin · Sep 5, 06:59 PM · #
My rejoinder is at the original post.
http://dailypundit.com/?p=35790#comment-233972
Cheers!
— Bill Quick · Sep 5, 07:40 PM · #
the snake needs a head. a populist movement with an intellectual vanguard is not going to get anywhere, unless all of history teaches us nothing. OTOH, intellectual vanguards without populist movements can sometimes take power and create populist backing (through means fair & foul). to be a vibrant movement both populist and elite elements are necessary, and neither are sufficient
— razib · Sep 5, 08:10 PM · #
‘zactly!
that is why the “young conservative lions” should have laffed Palin off the stage last summer, instead of lettin’ Ross and Reihan push the palincrack on the base.
Palin is when I jumped off the conservative failboat forevah, and a lot of other people did too.
oh please, spare meh thy holiness Conor…..you all knew EXACTLY what she was…..you’re no better than Kristol or Levin or Beck.
Crackdealers.
— matoko_chan · Sep 5, 08:38 PM · #
and…..Sarah Palin is teh candidate of the fringe. She has 73% approval among republican white evangelical xians.
Just try proposing someone else.
hmmm….does the fringe==Palin supporters== evangelicals?
i’ll go look.
;)
— matoko_chan · Sep 5, 09:17 PM · #
Conservatism must have some presence amongst the elite, those are the ones that guide public policy and public discourse (e.g. that of academia and media).
I wrote about the Internet and intellectual conservatism here. It’s important that middle class America understands something exists besides the polite, liberally biased conversations at their local neighborhood get together.
Internet and Intellectual Conservatism
— OneSTDV · Sep 6, 12:25 AM · #
If it were left up to you, Conor, the offending part of HR 3200—which prompted that stupid, fear-mongering Sarah Palin to use the phrase death panel—would still be in there.
If it were left up to you, Conor, Van Jones—whom Glenn Beck, and no one else, has been researching—would still be our green czar.
What you are advocating is unilateral disarmament. If our strongest voices went away, the political discourse would be much “nicer.” In fact, it would have an air of condescension, strong in the knowledge that there is no one left to challenge anything they say. Think NPR, Diane Rehm, Nina Totenberg, who can call you stupid in dulcet tones, but the end result is still the same. We’re all still stupid racists and Van Jones is still the green czar and the removed death panel provision is still in.
And, of course, none of those stupid armed terrorists at the town hall meetings would have their marching orders from Fox News and Glenn Beck. But then, maybe that other Glenn could help.
— jd · Sep 6, 08:36 AM · #
Wow….white evangelicals ARE Palin’s base.
And Palin continues to be overwhelmingly popular with key parts of the GOP base – white evangelical Republicans (84% favorable) and conservative Republicans (80% favorable).
From Pew.
Does this mean only 4% of conservative Republicans are not evangelicals?
hmmm
The results show clearly that the Republican Party today is first and foremost a political entity dominated by white Americans. Eighty-nine percent of rank-and-file Republicans are non-Hispanic whites, leaving just 5% who are Hispanic (of any race), 2% who are black, and 4% of other races.
These two polls would seem to demonstrate that 80% of conservative republicans are white evangelicals that support Palin.
lulz, Conor, you can’t cut off the fringe whan the fringe is all that is left.
;)
— matoko_chan · Sep 6, 10:53 AM · #
Here’s my reply to onestdv.
The problem with Henke’s approach is you cannot cut off the fringe when the fringe is all that is left.
Where the “young lions” failed was in not laffing/booing Sarah Palin off the stage last summer.
That is when I personally jumped off the conservative failboat and into Baracks waiting arms.
Now Palin is teh only within-party candidate that can secure the nom, but she is nationally unelectable.
And like davidhume points out, without a leader the GOP is doomed, no matter how fiercely you stoke the populist passions of the low information electorate.
Plus the demographic timer is running out.
Your alliance with social conservatives is becoming a liability instead of an asset….because white evangelicals are no longer the biggest mob.
Soon noble conservative memes like “free trade” and “smaller government” will become indelibly memetically fused with the dreadfully uncool Teabagger Demographic— angry old white people you could meet at a Klan rally.
The GOP is culturally and academically disenfranchised…..your memes are dying.
Isn’t it time to burn down the Vampire House and rebuild?
9/06/2009 11:36 AM
— matoko_chan · Sep 6, 11:52 AM · #
“What you are advocating is unilateral disarmament.”
What the hell happened to conservatives to make them believe that if they’re not being arrogant, abusive, irrational assholes every single second of the day, then they’re quivering, emasculated nancyboys?
Mike
— MBunge · Sep 6, 12:13 PM · #
The short answer, emerging from Bob Altemyer’s research in the 60’s and 70’s, as well as from contemporary research at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, is that they’re born that way. Born with an incredible incapacity to deal with ambiguity and their own fear, and thus, they retreat into nearly unthinking veneration of the “right” authorities and unthinking demonization of anyone they consider the “other.”
— Chet · Sep 6, 01:56 PM · #
A critique of Altemeyer:
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/altenemy.html
— Art Deco · Sep 6, 03:42 PM · #
“Quoting Megan McArdle’s admonition that the right should start policing its lunatic fringe, John Henke’s work…”
You all might come up with a hobby more rewarding than quoting eachother.
— Art Deco · Sep 6, 03:43 PM · #
Wow. Lots of “I” words, Conor. You just can’t get over yourself, and btw, what kind of cloth are you using to polish your halo?
What kind of conservative are you exactly, anyway? Sound pretty wishy washy to me.
— johnmark7 · Sep 6, 05:36 PM · #
question for johnmark7 …..
does one have to support insane clown Glenn Beck and want white trash dimbo Sarah Palin to have access to the nuke codes in order to be a conservative?
— matoko_chan · Sep 6, 05:45 PM · #
No, you don’t have to, just a little less sneering contempt when she happened to be right, strangelet, like the FCCER ‘death panels’ in the stimulus bill, working along with Sect 1233, and the 500 billion dollar
cut in Medicare.
— ian cormac · Sep 6, 06:45 PM · #
Okay, Conor, thanks for the back and forth. I’m working on something about statism, but I’m probably going to take Labor Day off. I’ll let you know when it’s up.
— Bill Quick · Sep 6, 08:17 PM · #
sowwy, ian, but she wasn’t right about the death panels and even Dr. Krauthammer told her to leave the room.
Palin has simply killed the GOP.
She is the reason you are leaderless.
The low information base won’t accept n/e one else, and she can’t win a national election.
A national punchline and two-digit quitter that couldn’t handle a freakin’ katie couric interview?
rawr.
go on an’ run her……it will be a truly spectacular wipe.
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Actually if one “reads the whole thing” she agreed with her premise, just had a quibble with the language. These bills are written this way to obfuscate the truth, that’s why you need a virtual Rosetta stone, to decode
them, Who else is a leader against the encroaching statist Leviathan, Slouching toward Jerusalem, Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty, please
— ian cormac · Sep 7, 10:16 AM · #
On a facebook page she didn’t even write.
qed
In the old days, when the country was 99% white protestant, local churches and local elected officials provided the kind of federalist local government and welfare that Manzi dreams of.
But once blacks and women became citizens, the federal government was forced to grow welfare and governance to ensure against human rights violations and that poor non-white, non-male citizens recieved goverment services and civil rights.
So Hayek was wrong…..the welfare state doesn’t lead to socialism..it leads to the death of the local religious welfare providers……to Great Britain style secularization.
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