Teachers and Incentives, Positive and Negative
I’m flattered that both E.D. Kain and Conor are interested in my opinion on this subject. Honestly, I probably should blog more about education myself. From my experience of six years serving on the board of a charter school, I have learned a great deal about what works – but also where the hype has run well-ahead of the reality. But the problem is, the more you know the more you know how hard it is to make definitive statements of any kind. And that’s not terribly satisfying to people looking for clear direction.
Conor highlights two questions: the importance of getting rid of bad teachers, and the importance of monetary incentives like merit pay. Ed reformers are generally in favor of both; the unions are generally opposed to both. For me, it’s a split decision.
I completely agree on the importance of getting rid of truly bad teachers – not teachers who are sub-par but teachers who are sub-basement awful, the teachers everybody knows have to be gotten rid of somehow, but who instead bounce around the system for years. What many people don’t fully appreciate is the degree to which the continued presence of these teachers undermines the entire school, with effects that radiate through the entire system. A single out-of-control classroom affects the behavior of kids in all the other classes they attend – they don’t just suddenly switch into good behavior mode once they get to their next period, or even to the next year. Administrators who know they can’t do anything about glaring, massive problems in a given class have very little incentive to try to do anything else – what’s the point? Teachers who enter idealistic and eager to make a difference get ground down by having to work alongside abusive or incompetent colleagues.
Giving principals much greater authority to hire and fire isn’t a complete solution. But it’s an absolutely necessary component to any solution. When a manager has no authority to hire or fire staff, he or she has no leverage to change staff behavior. And without leverage to change staff behavior, basically you don’t run the organization in any meaningful sense.
The main objection to the idea of giving more power to principals, though, is a good one, and it’s why that solution is incomplete. The incentives on principals, after all, don’t necessarily point in the direction of running good schools, and some principals are also terrible. Giving them more power will only make it easier for them to abuse their staff. They may fire the best teachers rather than the worst – the ones who challenge their authority rather than the ones who are short-changing students. Subjection to arbitrary authority may also be just as alienating to idealistic potential teachers as the impotence of authority to address incompetent, abusive and disruptive staff.
All of which points to the importance of getting the right people in leadership positions in schools, and evaluating them effectively. But this is where the difficulty with proper assessment really comes to the fore. It’s not that hard to identify really terrible teachers. It’s much harder to design a bureaucratic evaluation mechanism properly tuned to align incentives for leaders to run their schools correctly. A major effect of the kinds of school-evaluation tools that have already been deployed has been to encourage teaching to the test above all. That may actually be an improvement in some schools, and certainly helps identify schools that are completely failing to teach – but in many others, it has incentivized the leadership to destroy much of what made the schools effective in the first place.
I’m skeptical that any such bureaucratic evaluation system can really work. What I’d generally be more optimistic about is the use of consumer choice to evaluate schools. Theoretically, if you had universal public school choice (let’s leave private schools out for the time being; including them raises a whole collection of unrelated issues that I don’t want to tackle here), where public dollars followed the students and schools could not select their students but were given public resources to expand in response to persistent demand in excess of the number of slots available – in such a system, you’d expect poor schools to fail as students fled and strong schools to expand.
And, indeed, I think that is what you’d get if you implemented such a program. Under competitive pressure to attract students, I do believe the overall quality of education would gradually but persistently improve.
But you’d also get a side-effect of more student sorting, sorting that would reinforce existing disparities in similar ways to our current system (where we sort students by the price of their parents’ house) but with somewhat more sorting by cognitive ability and somewhat less sorting purely by class or race (though there’s going to be a lot of overlaps between those two sorts, inevitably). Why? Several reasons. More involved and informed parents will do more to effectively evaluate the choice of schools, while the least-involved and informed parents will apply late, or fail to apply at all and get stuck with the dregs. Schools, meanwhile, will structure their offerings to appeal to the students they want; while they can’t select their students, they can try to shape the applicant pool in various ways to make it more favorable. And they can always kick out students who don’t live up to the school’s standards.
For some, that’s a serious bug; for others, it’s more like a feature – good cognitive sorting will enable schools to more effectively challenge the next generation’s elite, which is probably more important than anything else we do to future national competitiveness. I think it’s both. I think it’s vital to challenge students at very level of natural ability. But I also think it’s vital not to leave any students behind in the sense of leaving them unable to function effectively in a modern society and economy. There are various possible ways to put a bit of a thumb on the scale to incentivize schools not to “fire” tough students – one already exists, in the form of more money for students with IEPs, but others could be devised. But that overall framework – greater parental choice within the public school system, with thumbs on the scale to try to mitigate the pernicious side of sorting – strikes me as the right way to get the incentives lined up, and much more correct that applying some kind of universal bureaucratic evaluation mechanism for schools.
But what about merit pay? Well, honestly, I’m skeptical based on what I’ve seen. Yes, teachers care about money – everybody cares about money. But when I say that nobody goes into teaching for the money, what I mean is that teachers, in general, have chosen a career that undercompensates them in cash terms relative to other professions with similar educational qualifications. So they have chosen to forego income for other rewards. Those might include: the desire to work with children; the desire to “make a difference”; the desire for a job that ends at 3pm and lots of vacation; the desire for a job with great benefits from which you basically can’t be fired; etc. If “more cash in my pocket” isn’t the main driver why people go into education, then cash rewards for great test scores probably isn’t the right way to incentivize teachers to perform.
On the other hand, I think it is vital to build positive incentives into the system. The negative incentives of “you could be fired” and “your school could be closed” are important – but they are not really motivators; they are mechanisms for eliminating the demotivators of terrible colleagues and terrible leaders. For teachers, though, I think the big positive recognition to offer is recognition. You want the system to recognize really excellent teachers and provide them opportunities to advance in the hierarchy if that is their desire. For monetary incentives, though, I think the focus should be elsewhere. I think extremely high performing schools should be rewarded with bonuses for the school itself. That creates a proper positive incentive for collective action to improve the school environment, which is what you want, not an incentive that pits teachers against each other. And I think there’s a case to be made for monetary incentives to students for exceptional performance, though there are very serious risks about going that route as well.
The main change I would make to the monetary incentives on teachers relate to the incentives to enter the profession. Right now, a great many of the monetary rewards to teaching are back-loaded. You get paid much more if you’re a 25-year veteran teacher than if you are a 5-year veteran. And while starting salaries are generally quite low, the benefits – which matter much more to older people than to younger – are generally very good. These incentives select for a teacher population that is looking for a very long-term gig. And I’m not sure that’s what we actually want the teacher population to look like. The learning curve for a teacher is very steep in the first few years, but after that it flattens out. After 3 years or so on the job, you’ve learned most of what you are going to learn about how to be a good teacher. After that, you’ll just keep doing it. Meanwhile, a big chunk of what it means to be a good teacher is to be good at keeping and holding a class’s attention. If you look, in particular, at Direct Instruction systems like Success for All that have gained currency in recent years, the kind of skills a teacher needs to perform well in such a classroom look more like the kinds of skills that make for a good actor or sales rep. You don’t need to be an academic genius; you need to be able to keep a group of easily-distracted people focused on you and on the material you are walking them through. Those skills, in turn, are going to be fresher and sharper in relatively new teachers than they are in teachers who have been doing the same old slog for 25 years.
It is folly to try to build an education reform program around getting only “great” teachers. There aren’t that many “great” teachers out there – there aren’t that many “great” anything out there. But that doesn’t mean you couldn’t incrementally improve the quality of the teaching pool – if you knew what you actually wanted. The current system’s monetary incentives are designed to generate a pool of “lifers.” We’re actually spending quite a lot of money to generate such lifers, because so much of teacher compensation is back-ended in the form of great benefits and salaries keyed to seniority. A much flatter pay scale, with significantly higher incomes for starting teachers, and with a greater share of benefit costs paid by the teachers themselves, would change those incentives. You’d wind up with fewer long-term veteran teachers – but you’d also attract some people, both young people and second-career folks, who don’t consider teaching now because of very low starting salaries. I suspect you’d wind up with a stronger teaching pool overall at a lower overall cost.
That’s not the end of the story, of course. Transition costs for moving from the current system to my proposed compensation scheme would be significant, as promises to existing veteran teachers would need to be kept; for a decade at least, you’d actually increase costs as the costs of new teachers increase while veteran teachers retire on their generous pensions. The unions, meanwhile, would be expected to fight any such transition bitterly – and understandably so. But if we’re going to have a fight with the unions, these bigger structural questions are where to do it, not over merit pay.
More generally, I agree with E.D. Kain that any reform that is going to succeed needs to get a decent amount of support from teachers. The rhetorical strategy of trashing teachers is a disaster for education reform. And all the unions are doing is looking out for the economic interests of teachers. Many of the reforms we’ve seen so far have been heavy-handed bureaucratic interventions that, to many teachers, feel quite unfair, and for good reason make them distrust the reformers. But at the same time, you have teachers lining up to work for high-performing charter schools like the KIPP schools or Democracy Prep, the charter I’ve been affiliated with. And this in spite of the fact that, if they are lucky enough to be hired, they will work harder than they would at a traditional public school, they will be evaluated more strictly (and expected to conform more strictly to a set curriculum and classroom-management style), and they will have no job security (teachers in these schools are generally hired under one-year contracts). Obviously, evaluation as such, or lack of job security as such, isn’t the problem; it’s that the teachers at these high-performing charters have enough confidence in the school leadership, while teachers in the regular system have little reason for confidence in the distant bureaucrats responsible for their fates. And that, in turn, should clue us in to the possibility that the some of the largest-scale reform initiatives – like applying high-stakes testing to the entire school system – may be backfiring, driving out good teachers and weakening good schools even as they do succeed in identifying the worst schools. That doesn’t mean “education reform” is futile. it means education reformers need to critique their own efforts with as much vigor as they have critiqued the current system, and learn based on actual results how to reform their reforms, so that we’re creating the proper incentives, positive and negative, to push the system incrementally in the right direction.
Noah,
This is an outstanding post. You really should blog more about education.
One quick question: wouldn’t the kind of “career progression” promotion opportunities you’re describing naturally include higher pay as a teacher progresses? There are lots of teachers who have different personality make-ups, mix of motivations tends to change over a career, and most people have multiple motivations for any decision; so I’d think that you’d want to get “merit pay” in this sense. It also seems like you’d want this kind of progression for terrific teachers who don;t want to go into admin. Much like engineering companies have a track for engineers to move into management, and others to have promotion opportunities on a technical track (engineer, senior engineer, distinguished engineer, fellow, etc.), why wouldn’t we have a track like this for master teachers?
— Jim Manzi · Mar 3, 11:53 AM · #
Noah,
Excellent post – you really should write about education more often. Longer response later at Forbes. Thanks.
— E. D. Kain · Mar 3, 11:57 AM · #
Jim, E.D.: thanks.
WRT career progression: the sort of track you’re talking about certainly can be structured. As Democracy Prep has grown, and we’ve begun to replicate with multiple schools under a single Charter Management Organization, we’ve seen a number of exemplary teachers follow different paths. For example:
- Stay in the classroom primarily, but become a “master teacher” where your classroom is a model that other teachers study. You move from there to providing professional development, from there to becoming primarily a teacher of teachers.
- Move up in the management hierarchy, going from teacher to a department head to a manager of a school or campus to moving to the CMO as a superintendent responsible for academic performance at a number of schools.
- Go over to the business side, either taking on an operational role, or community relations/advocacy, etc. – all things you’ll probably be able to do better because you understand the classroom environment and therefore what operational structures and external support is needed to make that environment work.
I think that’s pretty analogous to the sorts of choices available to engineers – if you’re great, you either become a guru, or you wind up managing teams of engineers, or you move over to the business side.
— Noah Millman · Mar 3, 01:52 PM · #
I think that school leadership is really where the biggest difference is made and where most reform falls apart. My wife is a teacher that has worked under 5 principals. My mother is a teacher that has worked under more. And my mother in law is a principal that is retiring this year after 15 years at the same school.
Good schools are good schools in large part because of leadership, especially when the students are low income. Lots of teachers stay in horrible working conditions because of the kids. But the teachers and students under perform because of the leaders.
Reform has to be slow enough to gain from it. If you have a new initiative every year (or a couple times a year) then they won’t do any good. Our school district tried out a new calendar they thought would benefit the schools. After 3 months half of the school board was voted out of office in part because of the calendar. After 6 months the board voted to change the calendar (even though it was supposed to be a 3 year trial). The change passed even after a poll that showed that 80% of teachers, 77% of students, 66% of parents and 62% of community members thought the trial should continue.
As long as we have school boards that change yearly, superintendents that change every 18 months, principals that change every 3 years and teachers that rarely teach in the same school more than 5 years, change is very difficult. I think that most of what we need to do, has already been done. But then then another change was made to undermine the first change.
— Adam Shields · Mar 3, 03:24 PM · #
http://blogs.forbes.com/erikkain/2011/03/03/teachers-and-incentives/
Also, I like the career progression you describe. More ideas like that need to spread.
— E. D. Kain · Mar 3, 05:48 PM · #
“giving more power to principals”
One huge issue that never gets discussed in all the talk about teachers’ unions is that in many cities, such as LA, principals and downtown administrators have their own union that helps keep bad principals from being fired. (It’s like if baseball team managers had their own union.) Why don’t we start by busting the principals’ unions instead of the teachers’ unions?
— Steve Sailer · Mar 3, 07:03 PM · #
Noah misses one other major incentive for becoming a public school teacher as the system is presently run: it’s compatible with being a mom. You can take a year off to stay home with a baby, you get reliable health benefits for your family, you build a pension for old age, and so forth. So, it attracts a lot of women who value security and stability for their families in an economy that is otherwise increasingly family-unfriendly.
Maybe, these kind of people don’t make the best teachers. They tend to be from about the 60-80th percentile of young people: the kind who can graduate from college, but with an undistinguished degree. They tend to start out really caring about other people’s children, but it’s hard to keep up that enthusiasm when you have children of your own. Maybe it would be better for students if we instead had the usual 21st Century job system in place that tries to burn through the primes of a lot of youngish women before they have children.
A lot of other educational systems, e.g., Catholic parochial schools, Eton-Harrow, etc. have dealt with this problem down through the centuries by trying to impose celibacy on teachers. Most of the plans I hear about for getting better teachers by imposing the law firm, investment bank, consulting company model on teaching sound like a temporary version of the same thing: be a public school teacher until you have to go to the fertility doctor to see if you can ever have kids, then go do something else.
Is this good for American society as a whole?
— Steve Sailer · Mar 3, 07:20 PM · #
The problem with the idea of making teaching less of a “long-term gig” is that teachers are generally required to undergo relatively-lengthy, expensive and highly-specialized professional training. If you graduate from college with an elementary teaching degree, what other job are you going to be qualified for after five or ten years of teaching fourth graders? Yes, there are some administrative positions within a school and district, but other than that, what are you going to do in the private sector with a B.A. in elementary ed?
— Travis Mason-Bushman · Mar 3, 07:23 PM · #
Another thing to keep in mind is that because so much of the commentary on education reform comes from two places — NYC and DC — that those aren’t representative. Both, and especially NYC, have a huge number of talented and affluent people who are underemployed — trustfunders, spouses of I-bankers, documentary filmmakers whose daddies pick up the Park Slope rent each month, etc. A lot of them think public school teaching would be a cool gig for a few years. Why should the old burnout teachers have all the fun?
I don’t think, however, that there is the same level of underemployed affluence in the rest of the country. Park Slope MFAs grads aren’t going to move to Detroit to spend age 25-35 teaching.
— Steve Sailer · Mar 3, 07:29 PM · #
Noah writes: “A single out-of-control classroom affects the behavior of kids in all the other classes they attend … Administrators who know they can’t do anything about glaring, massive problems in a given class have very little incentive to try to do anything else – what’s the point?”
Okay, but maybe administrators could try helping teachers who have gotten too old and burntout to impose order in their classrooms through sheer force of personality any longer by providing teachers with institutional support for disciplining students. As a parent, I am shocked by how many public schools have given up on, for, example holding formal after school detentions. Teachers today are told to hold their own detentions or to call parents.
— Steve Sailer · Mar 3, 07:48 PM · #
Why are teachers expected to be “Superman” today and maintain classroom order through force of personality with minimal institutional support from the administration?
A big reason is the legal concept of disparate impact means that anything that can be counted, such as expulsions and suspensions, can be held against school districts in racial discrimination cases. Thus, the current emphasis in the vast Los Angeles public school district is on teacher’s informally maintaining order.
But the truth is that if we want teachers who really care about explaining to children the Pythagorean Theorem or the Great Gatsby, it’s hard to find ones who also really care about putting young punks in their places. It’s much more sensible to hire bull-necked specialists, such as offensive line coaches, to serve as Assistant Deans of Discipline to back up the authority of teachers. But, in today’s public schools, most people who get staff jobs do so to get away from having to deal with troublemaking students, so they just leave teachers exposed.
— Steve Sailer · Mar 3, 09:26 PM · #
One thing to remember is that while there are some reforms centered around teachers and hiring that might make a small difference, schools are just like any other human enterprise: they are run by humans. How many businesses are well run? My wife works for an really rich, famous entrepreneur who is also about 80% incompetent in her current endeavor. Think about all the different places you worked. How many were well run? How many could have used “reform?” Think about the american military and past two administrations; we have the best of the best in terms of training, equipment, and management, we have access to the most learned and expert humans on the planet, and we still seriously fucked up two major wars at the cost of trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives. What is the chance that “government” is going to be able to reach out and “fix” every mismanaged school in america? Becasue that’s how we talk about it: “we need to fix our nations schools.”
Thinking that incentive pay and streamlined hiring and firing and charter schools or vouchers is going to make a big difference is just crazy. You can’t expect to wring out much improvement in the performance of a system as huge, complicated, and diverse as our nation’s public schools. It’s like trying to manage weather. And that doesn’t even consider how little actual input the schools have in student outcomes. Most of our kid’s performance is the result of our history, economics, and culture. As test scores show.
— cw · Mar 4, 01:18 AM · #
Noah—I totally agree with you on every point! Rebecca
— Rebecca · Mar 4, 06:47 AM · #
I find so many posts about restructuring education very interesting, because many of the “givens” simply do not apply to teaching in my state. There is no union, teachers are at-will employees like everyone else. My husband’s benefits package in the private sector is much more generous than mine the public sector. Yet, the same issues seem to apply to us as apply to all other states.
I like what you say about merit pay. I would submit that one important factor in retaining and improving teachers is respect as professionals and empowering teachers to create real learning communities. The best schools I have worked at, and the administration in my current job, operate under the assumption that we are teaching professionals who care about our job and care about our students. We have ongoing faculty communication about strategies that work and students who need help. The administration is open to faculty ideas.
Yet, all too often in education, training, professional development and evaluation come as a top-down effort, instead of a collaborative one. Teachers are forced to steal time to collaborate and share ideas, instead of space and time being built in as a matter of course.
When every teacher operates as an island, they can shut their door, and ignore all current initiatives, largely with impunity. When there is a spirit of collaboration, it raises the bar for everyone, and significantly decreases the us versus them attitude towards administration. No one wants to be the one with nothing to share and nothing to brag about with their peers. Belonging to a community of professionals is a much bigger incentive than any external rewards system. So, school-wide incentives, as proposed in the article, are a nice idea, but I would submit that they are unlikely to succeed in schools without an atmosphere of trust and collegiality, and are probably redundant in schools that already have that atmosphere.
Most teachers start with the best of intentions. A good system would reward those intentions and offer new and veteran teachers the space, respect and trust to turn those intentions into reality.
— Deirdre · Mar 4, 09:22 AM · #
Strong leadership IS key. Good schools in the districts with which I’ve been involved, either as a teacher or parent, are good as long as their principals are good and can get the parents and teachers on the same page about the goals and priorities for student education. Yet, repeatedly I have seen successful principals and teachers shuffled around from school to school, grade to grade, as if their performance is unrelated to its context.The problem is that the Community School Corp. administrators seem to operate on a different set of priorities which are not made public, at least in forums accessible to parents. This fact limits the possibility of even the most involved parents making informed choices. Noah seems to be imagining a world where good principals are left in place to do their good job at the school they helped to make good.
While the departure of a strong principal from a good school does not necessarily lead to an implosion or a spectacular, precipitous school failure, it does change the culture of the school eventually and that matters and should be acknowledged. I guess my point is that, even as he underscores the complexity of these problems, the suggestions Noah makes assumes a level of cooperation and singularity of vision within a school system that does not exist in many communities.
— Kim Lander · Mar 4, 09:40 AM · #
cw
You can’t expect to wring out much improvement in the performance of a system as huge, complicated, and diverse as our nation’s public schools.
There’s only one solution: declare the schools Too Big To Fail. Double down on it. Throw more money at the problem and strengthen the unions.
The left has always believed that when it hasn’t worked in the past, it’s because we haven’t spent enough.
God help us.
— jd · Mar 4, 09:45 AM · #
Having worked in corporate and construction industries for 35 years, I read with interest your take on beauracracy and politics in education. To some degree your experiences parallels my own in the corporate world. Bad employees, bad managers, bad incentives. Working for a large aerospace firm for several year seem to most parallel your descriptions of your experience in charter schools. Cronyism, turf wars, incompetent managers at each others throats, even divisions playing against divisions for power and position. It was amazing that they produced airplanes inspite of themselves.
— mikTek · Mar 4, 11:33 AM · #
I’m a little concerned at some of the sweeping statements in your post, such as that a single bad teacher can have massive spillover effects. Is there any empirical research supporting that position? I’m certainly not aware of any. Because if there’s not, and your supposition is incorrect, then the current policy obsession with finding and eliminating bad teachers is a colossal waste of the public’s time and attention.
— arbitrista · Mar 4, 03:41 PM · #
Because if there’s not, and your supposition is incorrect, then the current policy obsession with finding and eliminating bad teachers is a colossal waste of the public’s time and attention.
Imagine that: an obsession with getting rid of bad teachers. Who the hell cares if there are massive spillover effects? If a teacher is screwing his students (figuratively or literally) he ought to be fired. And only in arbitrista and Freddie land is that a waste of the public’s time and attention.
This is outrageous.
— jd · Mar 4, 07:06 PM · #
The major factor is the home/parents or lack of. I am retired from business and am a sub for an intercity school district. The classes are full of students that refuse to do anything, do not come to class with pencil, paper or books. I have talked to full time teachers about it and they say they call homes but nothing changes. You have to work with those that want to learn but what will happen to the others when they are out of school? The have not develped any social, or work skills including coming to work prepared to work. Very sad.
— David · Mar 7, 01:23 PM · #